Guild of Metalsmiths Monthly Discussion Forum

September 2001 Vol 3 Issue 9

Here we are again. Pull up a chair, get your coffee, reading glasses, and writing tools. It is time to discuss the news. The Guild currently has 321 members. Your renewal date is on the mailing label as 20XX.Q (year.quarter).

Gene Olson, editor

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Attention Please!

If your label says. 2001.3 your membership is up for renewal. Please send your $30 dues to:

The Guild of Metalsmiths
PO Box 11423
St. Paul MN 55111

How to Join

Send $30 dues with your name, address, (and if you would) phone numbers -home -shop -fax, email address, web page, a statement of interests/services up to 254 characters (letters and spaces) to the above address.(Please indicate if you want to be listed in our membership directory and which items you want listed)

Gene Olson, editor

Your comments can be mailed to The GoM Forum, c/o Gene Olson, 8600 NE O'Dean Ave. Elk River, MN 55330-7167, Faxed to 612-441-5846, or emailed to:

forum@metalsmith.org

Checklist - Index

Email working
Call for Metalsmith Articles
Metalsmith Back Issue Service
Metalsmith Search, Help Needed
COAL
meeting notes
The Fall Conference
Directory updates
Artists Reception
Letters
Want Ads
Workshops:
    Beginning Blacksmithing Series signup sheet
    Forge Welding workshop
Next Meeting - October Meeting
Tunnel Mill
Later this Month:
    Laura Ingalls Wilder Days Pepin, WI 15 -16th
    Fall Conference 21-22-23rd
    Tunnel Mill 29 -30th

MARCIA MCEACHRON
2526 CALIFORNIA AVE NE
MINNEAPOLIS MN 55418
Phone: 612-706-0198
Fax number: 612-781-8435
Email: mmceachron@earthlink.net

Please!

To order, write the Volume and Issue number(s) on a slip of paper along with your mailing address.
Include a check for $3.00 for each issue made out to Guild of Metalsmiths. Send it to:

Pete Stanaitis
2476 10th Ave.
Baldwin, WI. 54002

If you have any questions about the service , contact Pete at 715-698-2895 or email me at: spaco@Baldwin-telecom.net

I am putting together a "complete set" of The Metalsmith to be raffled off at the Madness (sometimes called the Fall Conference) and I can't locate certain very old issues.

They are:
Volume 1, numbers 3 through 8
Volume 2, numbers 4 through 8
Volume 3, number 8
Volume 4, number 8
We are almost convinced that these issues were never actually written, so this is my last try. If you have any of these issues, please contact me and I will arrange to borrow them from you to copy. I will put one copy in the raffle set and one copy in our archives.
Thank you,

Pete Stanaitis
2476 10th Av
Baldwin, WI 54002
715-698-2895
spaco@baldwin-telecom.net

THE COAL

IS HERE

The new shipment arrived on July 6^th.

Genuine Pocahantas coal like we had before.

NEW PRICING

The New prices:
5 gal bucket *- $5.50 including sales tax.
(Guild measuring bucket not your 5 1/4 gal paint bucket with the airspace on top)
55 gal drum - $50 incl. sales tax.
Ton price (1/2 ton minimum) $180/T

August 8th, 2001 at the Shop of Dave Mariette, Rosemount MN.

The meeting was called to order by President Dave Feterl

Committee Reports:

Financial Committee:
Mike Frattalone reported money in the checking acct. 501C3 is under final review by lawyers and accountant.

Education Committee:
Pete Stanaitis reported that the next years classes were shaping up. The beginners classes are to start in November.
Gene Olson reported that the Welding Class went very well in spite of the heat, everybody learned something and we all had a great time.

Program Committee:
Al Olson reported that plans for the Fall conference were pretty well finalized. He asked for volunteers to use a sign-up sheet .
Each area has a chairman and we need volunteers. (See the article on the "Madness" later in the Forum)

The October Meeting is going to be at Dave Olin's shop in Mendota.

Publicity Committee:
The August Forum was printed and mailed. The program committee included 10 raffle tickets in each one. The tickets become active when you send in the stub with your name address and prise preferences on them. The prize preference thing is mainly in case you aren't at the drawing to chose, if you don't fill it in, aren't there, or haven't filed a preference statement an arbitrary choice will be made for you.

Old Business:

Coal Purchace
The Coal is here. (Pochahontas #3) It cost more so new pricing is in effect. (See the notice on page one for particulars.)

Guild Book Library:
There was discussion about establishing a lending library. We have some books now, but no procedure for lending them. We are working on a system.

Blacksmithing Study Guide Plaques
Bob Fredell reiterated his offer to send out plaques to those of you who finished the Beginners series projects. See your July Forum for details.

Next Meeting:

Next Board Meeting Sept 12^th 2001 at Bob and Mary Fredells
General Membership October 10th at Dave Olin's Shop in Mendota.

Meeting Adjourned

Program: Dr Micheal Blue on shop safety
Mike put on his "Doctor Hat" and then informed us that if we wanted to call him Dr. we had best come see him at his office.

He gave a great talk on working safely in the shop (which will be summarized in an article for the Metalsmith soon.)

September is coming up fast.

Sept 21, 22, & 23, 2001

Time to start planning that masterpiece to show off in the gallery. Time to start thinking about the auction, the comradery and all that. Time to fill out that form and send in your registration.

The GALLERY and OPENING PARTY.

You probably noticed that you got an invitation to participate in the gallery without dates on it and then a registration info package that forgot to mention Friday activities, and Friday the 21^st is an important day, we're gonna have a party and get the show on the road.
(I think that must be because those authors probably wanted all those Hors douvers to themselves at the gallery opening. <grin>)

Friday the 21 of September
We will set up the conference, put the gallery together, and then we will have a Gallery Opening and party to celebrate the beginning of the Fall Conference.

We need your help, lots of hands make light work and the more the merrier at the party.

Call for Conference Volunteers

We will need help setting up the Conference. Of course, we'll be glad to put you to work if you can get there early, maybe, (what with our hectic schedules) but we need a core of people to get things going.

Here are the people to contact.

Front Desk Administration Mike Frattalone
Need desk help.

Gallery Gene Olson

Setup starting about 11 AM.
(tools needed, volunteer army)
Organize, label and display gallery items need people.

Gallery knockdown
(tools needed, volunteer army)

Meals Dick Carlson
set up and clean up crews

Demonstrators Al Olson
Demonstrator gopher / tendor per station (here is your opportunity to get on a first name basis with the demonstrator)
Video/Sound technician per station, (how 'bout that video camera?)

Raffle Items Myron Hanson
Back Issues of Anvil's Ring (1987)
Back Issues of Metalsmith (Vol 3 on) Pete Stanaitis
Vise, Stand and Tray Myron Hanson
Propane Forge Bill Hanson
Benchtop English Wheel Don Hammer

Live Auction Myron Hanson
Live auction stage clerk needed

Silent Auction Corky Kittelson
Set up and bid sorters

Open Forge Area Bob Johnson
Instructor types needed

Oversee Tailgating John Yust

Family Activities Sheri Stanaitis
Cannon Falls Antique shopping Irma Carlson

Grounds
Dick Carlson / Don Hammer
Help keeping the place clean.

The ABANA family program is calling for proposals for family program classes for the 2002 conference on June 5-9 in La Crosse, Wisconsin. We are specifically interested in creative classes that do not require any special equipment. Paper, and other fibers type classes seem to be popular. We've also had requests for paper marbling, broom making, and stained glass. We'll have tables and electrical outlets available and that's about it.

Here is the info we need for each class you propose to teach. We need all budget info up front, in order to avoid any unexpected bills after the fact.

I need a brief course description, list of any facilities or tools that you expect ABANA to provide, a list of items that class members need to provide, max number of students, and your fee. Your fee should include your travel, expenses, honorarium, absolutely every thing that you would want money for.

You do not need the itemize the fee for me. How you break up the expenses is your own business. I'm only interested in the lump sum fee that you need in order to offer this class at the conference.

This fee will be divided among the number of students in order to come up with the per student class fee. If you want the students to pay an additional materials fee directly to you, also include that amount with the class information. We will not be providing conference fees, travel compensation, or room and board to the family program teachers, so all expenses that you wish to be reimbursed for must truly be included in this fee that you submit to us right now.

You may email or snail mail this information to me if you like. When we determine a class

schedule, we'll then ask for more info like a bio and some photos for the course listings.

Kirsten Skiles

ABANA Family Program

PO Box 237, Dakota, MN 55925-0237

phone/fax 507-643-7946

kokairon@clear.lakes.com

www.kokametalsmiths.com

We left space . Get out your pen.

A hearty Welcome to our new members:

EBER, JENNIFER

M^CKIE, ANGELA
EDINBURGH SCOTLAND

WOOD, SUSAN

Join Bob and the three other Artists in this show at the Benedicta Arts Center Galleries at an artists reception Tuesday Sept 25^th from 3-5 pm.

Bob Wilde
"Pinhole Photographs from Maclovio Rojas, Mexico"

Bette Globus Goodmand, Diane Grace Goodman, Paula Leiter Pergament
"Amending Hope"

The show will be up through the 28^th of September.

Benedicta Arts Center
37 S. College Ave
St. Joseph, MN 56374

Phone 320- 363-5777

Gallery Hours:
9 a.m. to 4 p.m . Monday - Saturday
Noon to 4 p.m. Sunday
6:30 - 930 p.m. Sunday - Thursday

To have your letter printed here, Address it Dear Forum: and mail it to The GoM Forum, c/o Gene Olson, 8600 NE O'Dean Ave. Elk River, MN 55330-7167 ; email it to: GoMforum@mettleworks.com or FAX to 763-441-5846

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To the Editor,
I have just finished reading the August forum and would like to thank the board of directors for giving our two editors a "raise" and recognizing the service they do. Both of them do and excellent job and should be thanked for their contribution to the guild and its members. Us "folks" out of the metro area rely on the "rag" for 99% of the goings on and the Metalsmith for the excellent articles. Thanks a bunch and keep up the great job.

Fellow smith
George Lancaster

Any notice MUST be in my hands by the end of the month.

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Due to the transient nature of Items for sale, All want ads are listed on the exchange page.

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>>> Dave Brown>>>

>> Somewhat related question: Do similar questions arise regarding welding mild steel (1018) an higher carbon spring steels like 1060 or even up to 1095 (w-1) tool steel? Is welding rod a real consideration, or would pre-heat and post heat (to below the tempering temp of the piece of spring steel) be the way to go?

Valerie: Yes, to both those questions. And for those interested...here is my expanded version.

For heat treatable steels, consider if it is in the annealed condition or the hardened and tempered condition. And if in the hardened and tempered, does it make sense to anneal, weld and then heat treat after.

Anyway, if it is annealed and it is intended to then be heat treated, I choose a filler rod that matches the chemistry of the base metal..or in other words, will heat treat within the same temperature range and produce the same properties as the base after heat treat and temper.

The preheat for an annealed part is not the same as the preheat for heat treating. Make sure of this if you are using some reference material. Sometimes for tool steels, it (your reference) gives a temperature for preheat....and does not say if it is for welding or in preparation for heat treating.

Immediately after welding an annealed part, it needs to be stress-relieved (below 1100 degrees F), then re-annealed (or normalized) and then hardened and tempered.

If you need to be very picky on it, it is best to have a lower yield strength for the filler than the base metal so that any expansion/contraction differences are able to be "taken up" by the joint and not the parts themselves. That is, if you anticipate a lot of stresses in the iece as it is hardened and tempered. Ah, that is pretty picky and esoteric, but a nice to know if you cannot get an absolute match....and have a higher/lower yield strengtht choice. ANYway..

If the part is already hardened and tempered and you just want to weld it...then choose a filler that matches the PROPerties of the base metal.....and then you are assuming that there will be no further heat treat operations. Preheat, postheat is necessary, yes...and make sure it does not exceed the tempering temperature..or you willl soften the part.

A recap: for tool steels and hardenable steels (1045 and above, which means 0.45% carbon)...preheat always. Keep the weld bead small so that you are not melting and mixing the base metal more than necessary. Keep shielded from the atmosphere (good coverage of argon if TIG welding) try not to get finger print grease on the filler rod. Just think hoiw much surface there is to a filler rod in comparison to the filler rod itself. If it is rusty or greasy on the surface, that gets transfered into the weld bead. P.S. I only use TIG welding or silver braze to join tool steels.

A great reference book on tool steels can be found at crucibleservice.com....yet it is best to get the reference materials for that particular company (wnatever company made your tool steel).

Sincerely,
Valerie Weihman (Artist who is remembering that welding is just a tool and not an end in itself)

The course of instruction.

Each workshop consists of four, all day sessions. The primary instructional emphasis is on the student learning and practicing the basic (also known as traditional) blacksmithing processes of fire control, drawing out, upsetting, punching, bending, twisting, slitting and heat-treating. Safety is always stressed. In these workshops, we concentrate on practicing the basic blacksmithing processes rather than immediately making an item because the blacksmith must be well grounded in the basics.

As the workshop progresses from one session to the next, students will make one, or perhaps two, hand forged items requiring use of the skills they have learned.

The cost of a four session workshop varies depending on your situation (see the registration form). The fee includes use of the tools that you will need, coal and iron stock that you will use, and a copy of The Blacksmithing Study Guide if you are a new member. Exception--if you already have a copy of The Blacksmithing Study Guide, you will not receive nor pay for a second copy.

Workshop location ­ Minnesota School of Horseshoeing

6250 Riverdale Drive NW

Ramsey, MN 55303

Just north of Anoka, one block west of the intersection of Hwy 10/169 and Sunfish Lake Boulevard.

Time: 9:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. All classes are held on Saturday.

Bring hearing and eye protection, appropriate work gloves and a blacksmith hammer to all sessions.

Sign up soon. These workshops will fill quickly and have historically been full by the end of the Fall Conference.

Please sign up for one of the three workshops listed below. Each workshop contains four sessions. Please select the workshop in priority order A, B, or C.

Workshop A Workshop B Workshop C

November 10, 2001 January 5, 2002 February 23, 2002

December 1, 2001 January 19, 2002 March 9, 2002

December 15, 2001 February 2, 2002 March 23, 2002

December 29, 2001 February 16, 2002 April 6, 2002

_______________________DETACH & RETURN WITH PAYMENT_____________________

Registration deadline: October 12, 2001

(Note: although the deadline is Oct 12, the last two years were filled during the Fall Conference. So if you don't want to go on a waiting list for next year get it in now.)

Name (print) _________________________________________ Telephone: _____________

Address ______________________________________________________ZIP___________

Email (if you have one): ____________________________________________

Indicate Workshop choice by letter A, B, or C:

First Choice _______ Second Choice _______ Third Choice ________

Check one of the following:

I am a member of The Guide of Metalsmiths. Enclosed is my registration fee of $120, which includes payment for a copy of The Blacksmithing Study Guide.

I am a member of The Guild of Metalsmiths. Enclosed is my registration fee of $105. I have a copy of The Blacksmithing Study Guide.

I am not a member of the Guild of Metalsmiths. Enclosed is my registration fee of $150, which includes payment for a copy of The Blacksmithing Study Guide and membership in The Guild.

Make check payable to: "The Guild of Metalsmiths"

Return to: Don Halverson

1009 East Case Avenue

St. Paul, MN 55106-3907

You will receive confirmation of your registration
You are not registered until your payment is received.
Checks will be deposited at the start of the first scheduled workshop.

Forge Welding workshop

Send registration to David Mariette at

15325 Babcock Ave East, Rosemount, Minnesota, 55068 Phone number: 612 889-3291
$65 members - Check payable to: The Guild of Metalsmiths

Name:____________________________________

Address:__________________________________

City:__________________State:______ZIP:_____
Phone: ______________________

The evening's order:

6:30 Pot luck

7:00 Meeting:

7:30 Program: Dave and his staff will be showing us how some of the neat things they make are forged.

Oh yeah, from the bleachers Bob STILL says,
"DON'T FORGET SHOW AND TELL"

Again this year we will gather in the valley . . . . . This year our lectures and demonstrators are Pete Stanaitis, Myron Hanson and Nathan Robertson. Pete will lecture on problem solving in the Blacksmith shop. Myron will show tools and techniques of repousse, and Nathan will do some HOT forging. We have been working hard on our wood fire kiln so we are planning to be ready to fire on Saturday. Terry Dennis, Phillip Ahnen and Doug Johnson will do the honors. We also will have some hands on and will do our traditional raku.

Our long term gate project is coming along well, we will be working to complete grapes, hinges and latch by the end of the weekend.

We have a couple of fiber projects still in the planning. Bring your rug frame if you're still working on one or want to start another. Karen Peters will be with us again to teach us yet another book. We have a different technique for our Tunnel Mill T-shirts, maybe you'll want to make one . . ... Cost for the above projects have not been determined yet.

Food and camping are available. You might want to bring a lawn chair. Bring safety glasses, ear protection and appropriate attire if you want to be around the demonstrations.

There will also be an open forge time for other blacksmith projects.

We are open to other projects of interest.

Directions: TUNNEL MILL located 20 miles south of Rochester, follow Hwy 63 south to Stewartville, turn east on Hwy 30 to County Rd # 1 approx. 4.5 miles turn south on County Rd #1. Follow County Rd #1 6.5 miles to Tunnel Mill.

Lodging: Shady Rest 507-346-2625, Motel 66 507-346-9993, Super 8 507-346-7788, all in Spring Valley( 5 miles south of the mill on County Rd 1 In Stewartville AmericInn 507-533-4747

Please register by September 24th.

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Send Preregistration to Carol Adams, 4505 Hwy 63 N. Rochester, Mn 55906
Checks payable to: Tunnel Mill weekend.

Admission/weekend fee (outhouse and overhead)
_____ persons @ $ 5.00 ea_______
Meals
Saturday morning _____ persons @ $3.00 ea_______
(donuts,fruit, juice &coffee)
Saturday lunch _____persons @ $5.00 ea_______
Saturday night _____persons @ $10.00 ea_______
Sunday morning _____persons @ $4.00 ea_______
Sunday noon _____persons @ $5.00 ea_______

TOTALS ______ Persons _______

*Total Weekend Package - $30.00/person

Potluck for people arriving Friday Evening

Home phone: 507-289-5246
Work phone: 507-289-4189
Fax number: 507-292-8756

Thanks, hope to see you there.